I remember when I was young being told I could be President one day if I wanted, my sisters were told the same thing, we told our kids that and so on and so on. Then someone not part of the problem actually ran for the office and we lost our minds over him. Why? He was one of us why did he leave? But instead of inflection we threw vitriol, then cheered when he lost in 2020, then we tried to assassinate his character then charged him with a whole bunch of things then when none of those worked we dehumanized him everyday until someone actually tried to assassinate him. And again instead of inflection at the thought of someone trying to kill a man who wants to fix things that are seriously wrong now, we decide it was his fault because he says mean things to some people. Yet not a word about calling him and his followers Nazi’s and threats to the Constitution etc etc.
Sorry but quit the party because it became blatantly obvious we are the true threat to our country. We try to take away peoples rights to simply disagree by calling them ists and phobes. We dehumanize them then attack and destroy their possessions and call it protesting, no it’s not. Not by a long shot. Protesting is destroying your own possessions not someone else’s (remember mom and dad saying if it’s not yours don’t break it? If not have a talk with them and ask them about it)
So until anyone for the party comes out and actually says something that tells me they still care about this country, then I will never vote for another democrat ever again. Doesn’t mean I’m voting for any republican either. But democrats have a lot of explaining to do.
The populist explanation seems plausible, but insufficient, for Sanders's unique popularity in these polls. I think the dearth of non-YouGov surveys is a problem, especially given his lack of success even in the Democratic primary electorate.
(Also, the unscientific sample of comments below suggest that MAGA, at best, tolerates Sanders only when he's perceived to go against the Democrats. Not supporting a candidare who opposes everything he stood for save for protectionism is "selling out," apparently.)
I became a Trump supporter as soon as he announced his agenda in 2015, but Bernie was my clear second choice (they both had virtually the same agenda back then). Once Trump eviscerated Jeb! in the debates I didn't think about Bernie too much, but I was hoping for a Trump vs. Bernie general election so we could rid ourselves of BOTH party establishments. Then he sold out to Hilary and the neocons at the Democrat Convention and started singing their tune. Bernie is dead to me.
The question is: "What magic is he conjuring?"---which is a false premise: There is no magic. Instead, Sanders, as do his peers, simply relies on a decades-long failure of our educational system to teach the failures of socialism, resulting in its empty promises being taken for fact. Keep 'em dumb, blather on as if your argue has substance, etc.
Polls produced by who knows who for who knows what purpose. Though both Bernie and certainly AOC may be contenders in 2028, Democrats have more plausible candidates, like governors Shapiro and Newsom and Rahm Emanuel.
Pritzker may demolish Rahm in Il, but IL may be the ONLY state he wins. If Rahm gets endorsements from Obama and Clinton and advice from Akselrod, he will be a formidable contender.
That tells you exactly how insanely stupid Democrat voters are. You have to be a low IQ, mentally ill, fool to think Bernie Sanders or AOC are a good idea to lead anything.
And yet it’s the democrats base out destroying things that do not belong to them, like little children throwing a tantrum, or they’ve been brainwashed into doing the elites in the DNC bidding. Democrats don’t want discourse they want destruction, trying to claim it’s the only thing Republicans understand, when it’s actually the reverse. Why are Dems so comfortable with their leaders taking openly about running the country like a Marxist/Communist state? Talk about a threat to the Constitution.
I have always been a fan of Bernie Sanders. A lot of my friends are now seeing why I have been a fan. To me he is now the defacto leader of the Democratic Party. He is the only one that could save them. The DNC knew this and that’s why Clyburn endorsed Biden after he said that he was not going to do that. Finally the DNC is no longer relevant and they need Bernie Sanders. If I were Pritzker I would hang with Bernie Sanders. AOC is doing the right thing and she might be the next Senator of New York. Schumer is no longer relevant and Hakeem Jeffries is most likely to be replaced.
The party establishment is rotten to the core. Unless Bernie adopts their toxic neocon policies, they will sabotage him 100%. I'm convinced the Democrat leaders would rather deal with Vance (or Trump) for another four years than Bernie.
I wasn’t a Bernie supporter in 2016, or 2020. And while I’ve always liked AOC for her fighting spirit and charisma, I imagine I would not be a fan of many of her economic proposals under normal circumstances.
But the past year has fundamentally changed how I think about the interaction between great wealth and political outcomes, and AI seems bound to further concentrate wealth and technological power.
Basically, I think this is the Bernie/AOC moment, and I’m not surprised that they’re drawing big crowds.
PS: I’m a big Pritzker fan too, and Slotkin seems pretty cool. I was pretty happy with the top of the list.
Ernie is setting the table for a Democratic comeback. There is so much overreaction after any election and this one more than most. A Bernie in ALC are both helping to turn the tide. But the question of who becomes the leader of the party is still an open one, as it won’t be Bernie And I don’t think it can be AOC. At the same time, AOC has changed my view of her by simply being willing to get out there and strongly, voice specific and effective opposition, along with Bernie. They are making a great pair in doing this and building a foundation for a rebound. There’s still a question of who that will be. I am not convinced it’s any of the seeming front runners. Looking at people who have been very effective for the party, I would highlight Chris Murphy, and I’m still a Gretchen Whitmer fan too. Andy brochures is done a great job governing and speaking out. And I am still a big fan of Amy klobuchar and Cory Booker, but I am not sure They can emerge.
Sorry, posted before I edit it. Obviously I started with Bernie, not Ernie. And Bernie and AOC. I also meant to add, I think a truly successful Democratic governor could emerge, as the complete in capacity and breakdown in DC may impair any Senate candidate. I am not sure it is Pretzer, which brings me back to Whitmer, for shears, and perhaps someone not in the upper echelon yet. The point is, the panic felt among Democrats is somewhat absurd, given the fact that there are, as Bill Clinton said, no permanent winds and no permanent losses in elections.
Bernie is too old so is not really in the running.
I remember when I was young being told I could be President one day if I wanted, my sisters were told the same thing, we told our kids that and so on and so on. Then someone not part of the problem actually ran for the office and we lost our minds over him. Why? He was one of us why did he leave? But instead of inflection we threw vitriol, then cheered when he lost in 2020, then we tried to assassinate his character then charged him with a whole bunch of things then when none of those worked we dehumanized him everyday until someone actually tried to assassinate him. And again instead of inflection at the thought of someone trying to kill a man who wants to fix things that are seriously wrong now, we decide it was his fault because he says mean things to some people. Yet not a word about calling him and his followers Nazi’s and threats to the Constitution etc etc.
Sorry but quit the party because it became blatantly obvious we are the true threat to our country. We try to take away peoples rights to simply disagree by calling them ists and phobes. We dehumanize them then attack and destroy their possessions and call it protesting, no it’s not. Not by a long shot. Protesting is destroying your own possessions not someone else’s (remember mom and dad saying if it’s not yours don’t break it? If not have a talk with them and ask them about it)
So until anyone for the party comes out and actually says something that tells me they still care about this country, then I will never vote for another democrat ever again. Doesn’t mean I’m voting for any republican either. But democrats have a lot of explaining to do.
The populist explanation seems plausible, but insufficient, for Sanders's unique popularity in these polls. I think the dearth of non-YouGov surveys is a problem, especially given his lack of success even in the Democratic primary electorate.
(Also, the unscientific sample of comments below suggest that MAGA, at best, tolerates Sanders only when he's perceived to go against the Democrats. Not supporting a candidare who opposes everything he stood for save for protectionism is "selling out," apparently.)
I became a Trump supporter as soon as he announced his agenda in 2015, but Bernie was my clear second choice (they both had virtually the same agenda back then). Once Trump eviscerated Jeb! in the debates I didn't think about Bernie too much, but I was hoping for a Trump vs. Bernie general election so we could rid ourselves of BOTH party establishments. Then he sold out to Hilary and the neocons at the Democrat Convention and started singing their tune. Bernie is dead to me.
The question is: "What magic is he conjuring?"---which is a false premise: There is no magic. Instead, Sanders, as do his peers, simply relies on a decades-long failure of our educational system to teach the failures of socialism, resulting in its empty promises being taken for fact. Keep 'em dumb, blather on as if your argue has substance, etc.
LOLOLOL
The result of decades of dumbing down public education.
Polls produced by who knows who for who knows what purpose. Though both Bernie and certainly AOC may be contenders in 2028, Democrats have more plausible candidates, like governors Shapiro and Newsom and Rahm Emanuel.
Rahm Emmanuel will not even win Illinois as Pritzker will demolish him!!
Pritzker may demolish Rahm in Il, but IL may be the ONLY state he wins. If Rahm gets endorsements from Obama and Clinton and advice from Akselrod, he will be a formidable contender.
Rahm Emanuel, yeah right....
Rahm proved himself as a capable money raised and many owe him, since he organized Dem recapture of Congress.
If Rahm gets endorsements from Obama and Clinton and advice from Akselrod, he will be a formidable contender.
That tells you exactly how insanely stupid Democrat voters are. You have to be a low IQ, mentally ill, fool to think Bernie Sanders or AOC are a good idea to lead anything.
Yet another example of "every Republican accusation is a confession"
And yet it’s the democrats base out destroying things that do not belong to them, like little children throwing a tantrum, or they’ve been brainwashed into doing the elites in the DNC bidding. Democrats don’t want discourse they want destruction, trying to claim it’s the only thing Republicans understand, when it’s actually the reverse. Why are Dems so comfortable with their leaders taking openly about running the country like a Marxist/Communist state? Talk about a threat to the Constitution.
I have always been a fan of Bernie Sanders. A lot of my friends are now seeing why I have been a fan. To me he is now the defacto leader of the Democratic Party. He is the only one that could save them. The DNC knew this and that’s why Clyburn endorsed Biden after he said that he was not going to do that. Finally the DNC is no longer relevant and they need Bernie Sanders. If I were Pritzker I would hang with Bernie Sanders. AOC is doing the right thing and she might be the next Senator of New York. Schumer is no longer relevant and Hakeem Jeffries is most likely to be replaced.
lol
Bernie is the only pick for 2028. But I don't trust dems to not sabotage him again. He needs to take his own advice and run independent.
The party establishment is rotten to the core. Unless Bernie adopts their toxic neocon policies, they will sabotage him 100%. I'm convinced the Democrat leaders would rather deal with Vance (or Trump) for another four years than Bernie.
What about governor Shapiro? Rahm Emanuel? Governor Newsom?
He’s not a Democrat.
Bern the most popular? That's a live one.
BWAHAHAHA...
I wasn’t a Bernie supporter in 2016, or 2020. And while I’ve always liked AOC for her fighting spirit and charisma, I imagine I would not be a fan of many of her economic proposals under normal circumstances.
But the past year has fundamentally changed how I think about the interaction between great wealth and political outcomes, and AI seems bound to further concentrate wealth and technological power.
Basically, I think this is the Bernie/AOC moment, and I’m not surprised that they’re drawing big crowds.
PS: I’m a big Pritzker fan too, and Slotkin seems pretty cool. I was pretty happy with the top of the list.
Ernie is setting the table for a Democratic comeback. There is so much overreaction after any election and this one more than most. A Bernie in ALC are both helping to turn the tide. But the question of who becomes the leader of the party is still an open one, as it won’t be Bernie And I don’t think it can be AOC. At the same time, AOC has changed my view of her by simply being willing to get out there and strongly, voice specific and effective opposition, along with Bernie. They are making a great pair in doing this and building a foundation for a rebound. There’s still a question of who that will be. I am not convinced it’s any of the seeming front runners. Looking at people who have been very effective for the party, I would highlight Chris Murphy, and I’m still a Gretchen Whitmer fan too. Andy brochures is done a great job governing and speaking out. And I am still a big fan of Amy klobuchar and Cory Booker, but I am not sure They can emerge.
Sorry, posted before I edit it. Obviously I started with Bernie, not Ernie. And Bernie and AOC. I also meant to add, I think a truly successful Democratic governor could emerge, as the complete in capacity and breakdown in DC may impair any Senate candidate. I am not sure it is Pretzer, which brings me back to Whitmer, for shears, and perhaps someone not in the upper echelon yet. The point is, the panic felt among Democrats is somewhat absurd, given the fact that there are, as Bill Clinton said, no permanent winds and no permanent losses in elections.